Tonic to the Terrorists

Agreed. FOr sure on Preston, I got into Junkyard Blog back in the day. His replacement SeeDubya is pretty good too.

I think that you are correct in that the best we can hope for from liberal zealots is accountability. It is not going to happen though, Cindy Sheehan, sorry for your loss but you have lost your mind. And Michael Moore is just a fat dumb bastard.

Nice implication that anti-war protesters are seditious. The bottom line is that the pro-war crowd has been annoyed since day one that the government cannot stifle these protesters no matter how far left they are. No ne is ramping down anything. Deal with it.

While I agree with the problems that the anti-war left has with their lack of understanding the impact of their rhetoric, I think their complete lack (outside of a few exceptions) of understanding military matters hurts them just as much.

I think one of the underlying reasons they're following the anti-war mantra and doctrine of the Vietnam era is that they know squat about politico-military issues. And many of them just don't want to be bothered with learning about it, in the first place. More often than not, their viewpoints come off as naiive at best, and willfully ignorant at worst.

Jason

Owen, who the hell said we wanted anything shut down? You clowns are the best political weapon the pro-war crowd has got, you just don't know it.

This much is fact: you and the bad guys have the same plan for Iraq. That's not spin and that's not opinion bro, just the reality of the situation.

John,

How presumptuous you are. You think that just because I stand up for Americans rights to protest whatever they want, I'm somehow identified with that crowd. Typical reactionary. The individual qouted in the blog was openly displaying his animosity toward protesters:

"...if you really love the freedom to protest and denounce your leaders and your country, ramp down the anti-war rhetoric."

This shows what this individual thinks about protesters. He thinks that all they want to denounce their leaders and their country by showing their disaproval of the half assed way our government has conducted this war. There's millions of people who see the writing on the wall and realize that Iraq is and never was part of the war on terror.

"That's not spin and that's not opinion bro, just the reality of the situation."

No, that's your opinion, "bro". Bush supporters and pro-war people are to afraid to lay the blame where it belongs, so they take it out on those who were against their little crusade from the beginning. The reality of the situation? Only a reactionary fool deals in absolutes.

Have a nice day.

heh, five paragraphs to talk around my only real point here, which is the fact the insurgents and anti-war movement have the same goal.

Good work!

Owen,

Who besides commies calls people reactionairies?

I'd like to toss in my 2 cents.

Owen states the following "Nice implication that antiwar protesters are seditious. The bottom line is that the pro-war crowd has been annoyed since day one that the government cannot stifle these protesters no matter how far left they are. No one is ramping down anything. Deal with it".

Well, Owen, I saw all the coverage of the Anti-War rallies across the US, All the coverage, not just the slant shown by the big media. I saw open sedition and treason. Look at the photos from the San Fran' march. You can go to the SF Chronicle for that. Very open sedition. People holding up signs stating the white house should be bombed, others stating Bush and Cheney should be killed. Flags being dragged thru the street, ANSWER and the Socialist teaming up to state the US is a terror state and should be destroyed. The Anti-Jew crowd and the pro-Jihadis where out in force. Yup, your Antiwar crowd is just a bunch of nice peaceful American folks. Of all your posting, I like this one: "The bottom line is that the pro-war crowd has been annoyed since day one that the government cannot stifle these protesters no matter how far left they are." No matter how far left they are? Are you kidding me? When people wear the hammer and sickle on their shirts, call my country and its constitution "S#$%" and demand the over throw of the government, I get more then annoyed. Go read the message of ANSWER and the Socialists, go read the coed Pink girls statements, go read what the Berkley grads are saying. Does this sound like sedition, treason? does to me Owen.

Owen further writes: "How presumptuous you are. You think that just because I stand up for Americans rights to protest whatever they want, I'm somehow identified with that crowd. Typical reactionary. The individual quoted in the blog was openly displaying his animosity toward protesters"
This blog asks the protesters to ramp it down and not feed the enemy. It in no way says for Americans to give up their rights to protest. Owen in his wisdom comes racing in and say "no-way, deal with it." I really am sorry to see that you don't understand it when a GI says to the folks at home "Hey man your enabling the enemy with all the hate, you are getting me and my brothers and sisters killed, ramp it down." Owen today's war protester and his ilk will continue to be "useful-tools" of the enemy and will continue to spout sedition and treason. Don't like the war, that's fine. Work to help the enemy, well then we have a problem. Is that presumptuous? if so, deal with it!

Owen then becomes clairvoyant and states of blog owner; " This shows what this individual thinks about protesters. He thinks that all they want to denounce their leaders and their country by showing their disapproval of the half assed way our government has conducted this war. There's millions of people who see the writing on the wall and realize that Iraq is and never was part of the war on terror." Once again Owen go look at what the Anti War crowd has said. If the Anti war protester has Communists, Marxists and pro Jihadis marching next to them, then they by association are labeled accordingly. You sleep with the dogs, you get fleas.

Please read my mind next and tell me what I think. The country loved Miss Cleo, maybe you have the "power" as well. I can be your agent. Ahh.. but you already knew that, you sneaky mind reading bugger.

Ray

Personally, I once again lay blame at the feet of the leadership for another policy failure. This goes back to the info-war and the way the administration has failed to frame the argument in an effective way.

I don't blame the anti-war crowd. Yes, there are the ones who hate America and always will. Personally, if their ilk stay in San Francisco with the occasional bus trip to Washington, then the sooner another massive earthquake strikes that place, the better.

The majority of the anti-war crowd are average Americans, ignorant of what it really takes to keep society running. These are the ones who count and the ones that the administration lost over the years. Even if they're dumb Americans, they're still dumb Americans that vote. Ergo, they need to be targeted with an effective information campaign.

It's the information spectrum, stupid. Same goes for over there as it does here. In Iraq and Afghanistan you can kill 100,000... they'll breed more. Here, you can play Rush Limbaugh till you're blue in the face. It don't matter. Nobody's listening.

The message needs to be crafted properly and delivered effectively. That AIN'T happening.

Where do I start here?:

"Who besides commies calls people reactionairies?"

When you have nothing meaningful to respond with, just call those you disagree with "commies". Works every time...

From John:

"...five paragraphs to talk around my only real point here, which is the fact the insurgents and anti-war movement have the same goal."

And one sentence from you that doesn't even address any of the points I made.

Good work!

Now for the lengthy reply from Ray:

First you mentioned anti-war protests form all across the country, but only provided examples of protests form the San Francisco Bay Area. I'm stationed in that region and I can tell you that those people are not par for the course for the majority of people who are against the war in Iraq nation wide. They just draw the most attention because they are the most extreme. Do I think they're a bunch of blow hards with little grasp of world affiars? Pretty much, but I also know that when people like you get outraged at what they say and call them traitors, you're doing exactly what they want you to do.

Then there's this little gem:

"Hey man your enabling the enemy with all the hate, you are getting me and my brothers and sisters killed, ramp it down."

Oh really? I was under the impression that it was the government who sent the military to Iraq, that it was the goernment who fumbled in managing post-Saddam Iraq, and so naturally it's the government who got those people killed, not protesters.

So how do you propose these seditious protesters who speak of should be dealt with?

And please note the absence of insults in my reply, Ray. You might learn something from it.

And one sentence from you that doesn't even address any of the points I made.

lol, I like to keep it simple. Instead of rolling with that crazy ex-girlfriend style of ranting that you seem to dig.

Your points were dumb. And your movement still has the same goals as the bad guys.

"...crazy ex-girlfriend style of ranting..."

As opposed to the school yard "your points were dumb" style you seem to employ? I think a first grader could respond better than that. And you are/were an officer. Priceless...

"And your movement still has the same goals as the bad guys."

What movement is that? I keep to myself and have never protested anywhere. I was simply drawing your attention to the fact that we live in a free society, and when our government goes to war like this, you can expect serious dissent.

lol @ "serious dissent."

Your points were dumb. Was thankful for that, since I didn't have to put any effort into refuting em.

Yawn. Got anything else turbo? Surely my first-grade debate style must be boring you.

You can call it what you want, but you have nothing meaningful to say. Simply calling someone's opinions dumb is childish and it speaks volumes about who you are. If my points are dumb, then ignore me. Apparently they weren't dumb enough to get you to not respond to them. But, as I mentioned before, our government saw fit to bestow upon you a commission, so perhaps it shows the caliber of men and women our government wants in its service.

Also, you failed to address my question: What movement are you referinf to that I supposedly belong to?

It's your site, so have the last word.

You need me to tell you what movement you belong to?

Hell I don't know you, I was just making convenient assumptions for the purpose of debate. You gotta figure that one out on your own, thug-life.

Bye now!