Pray for Maj. Metzger

It's kind of odd since she was slotted to come home this weekend.

Prayer won't accomplish anything except make those that do feel good about themselves. It's also a great technique to avoid personal responsiblity.

In reality, there is nothing "we" can do, that sit on this side of the pond. What can be done, is being done by those who are capable of actually doing something.

Fooling ourselves by praying is ridiculous.

Prayer won't accomplish anything except make those that do feel good about themselves.

That goes double for snide comments.

It's also a great technique to avoid personal responsiblity.

On the contrary, I think that a little prayer for a missing airman leads one to meditate on the fact that it's my personal responsibility to practice and preach good OPSEC and anti-terrorism awareness.

In reality, there is nothing "we" can do, that sit on this side of the pond.

There's OPSEC and ATA training, as I mentioned.

Incidentally, during the last rotation with 3-509 at JRTC I was talking to an O/C. There had been a few guys wandering around by themselves, and I remarked that I wished we could capture stragglers. The O/C said that stragglers were fair game because there have been a number of people getting lost or captured out in Iraq recently.

lifeofliberty:
"Prayer won't accomplish anything...."
Do you have scientific evidence to back up that statement? Provide it, please.
In the meantime, you won't mind if I pray for you, will ya, since it won't accomplish anything?
What a sad, negative life you must lead.

I wasn't going to touch lifeofliberty's comment, but I will drop in to say that I have very little regard for people who make a point to trash other's beliefs.

Shameful behavior that reflects poorly on him, and no one else.

Ditto, John

Well, I alerted my group of praying women, who will in turn, alert massive numbers of praying women nationwide.

LifeofLiberty, if you have any needs in your own life that you can't handle, let us know. We will unleash the same power for you.

Maewynia

I think it would be a great invention if we could somehow attach a gps tracking device to our service personnel. Maybe insert it into some piece of clothing or an I.D. card. It would certainly help during times like this.

Keeping her in our thoughts and prayers is important. I'm sure she's thinking that someone is looking for me and praying that she comes back safe. My prayers might not bring her back, but it comforts me.

Jill is a special lady and a tremendous competitor. She is definitely in my prayers.

This is a damned strange case... but, folks, and you know who this applies to... let's be safe out there! Even in a supposed "allied" country, there are plenty of those who'd LOVE to get their paws on an American... and an American WOMAN to boot.

You don't wander off like that and go chatting away on your cel-phone, tossing situational awareness out the window. It don't take long to snatch you and disappear you into a crowd or a waiting van. Stay with your buddies and ALWAYS look over your shoulder... and DON'T TRUST NOBODY. It doesn't give you free license to be rude, but you don't go anywhere with someone you don't know and you don't take candy from strangers.

Hoping for the best, but...

I just want to say that I personally know Jill and know that she has strong religious beliefs. She believes in the power of prayer and she would not hesitate to Pray for LifeofLiberty if the roles were reversed.

She knows in her heart that everyone is out there praying for her safe return. I have no doubt that God is with her. Praying for her safe return lets God know we love and care what happens to her.

Hey, almost everyone, it looks like, is jumping on the guy who made a religious comment, everyone is so obsessed with themselves i almost forgot i was reading about a girl who went missing. come on people! too much anger here, he doesnt like to pray, ok leave him be, but yelling at him wont change him, what you do to yourself is turn yourself into a self-righteous guy/gal who causes even more anger from people that dont agree with you. that's how poeple grow to hate each other so much that they start wars, or kidnap others to hurt them.

Back on topic -- Maj. Metzger is ALIVE. She was found by the side of the road in the middle of the night, her head shaven. At FOX news now.

MAJ Metzger is very, very lucky.

I'm very pleased at the happy ending. My earlier comments still stand though. And, as it turns out, it only took three men and one woman to take her down (at least that's what one of the reports is saying).

It's not hard, boys and girls, so as I said before, be careful out there.

Well all that prayer apparently worked like a charm.
She's safe and sound, telling whoppers about bombs in her back pocket and trance-like states. My guess: affair with a co-worker, elaborate plan to escape with him, he stood her up, she concocted a story. Career over and only a bad haircut to show for it. What a disgrace to women in uniform. What a disgrace to officers in uniform. Throw her in jail.

inappropriate, vr.

My reponse to "vr", who said: "My guess: affair with a co-worker, elaborate plan to escape with him, he stood her up, she concocted a story. Career over and only a bad haircut to show for it. What a disgrace to women in uniform. What a disgrace to officers in uniform. Throw her in jail." I know Jill, having served with her in Europe. She is an excellent Officer and an honorable woman. How dare you malign her character with your contemptible - and unfounded - accusationS!

Ok, but what happened, does anyone have an actual theory of the crime here? Because it does seem very odd and evokes bad "Runaway Bride" stereotypes, as we see above, without some further explanation.

The way the story is being reported is odd. However, it will be interesting to see the separation of fact and fiction over the coming days, as the different reports on-line and by the news media are what is setting off the doubters. I have to remind myself that this event is happening half a world away, and there are many people, including government and media outlets overseas who would love to cast doubt on anything American. I've also noticed that the majority of the comments being reported by these foreign news agencies are using anonymous sources.

Until the facts of the abduction are known, I choose to give a friend and an officer the benefit of the doubt, which she deserves.

We need to keep the family, and Jill in our prayers.

I agree with "vr." I believe the truth will come out and there won't be anybody to blmae but herself and the person she tried to spend more time with.

For everyone who doubts Major Metzger, how can you jump to such a conclusion without any evidence? Are your lives so mundane that you must get angry at a woman that you don't ever know for something that there is no evidence that she's done? On a site such as this, I would have expected a little more respect for an officer of the US military. In fact, it would probably be beneficial to just calm down and wait for the military to make a statement. So far, it sounds like the doubters are putting way too much stock into the statements of foreign officials. I've kept up with this story from the beginning and I wouldn't be surprised if those officials are just trying to cover themselves after writing off kidnapping within the first two days of her disappearance.

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https://asiapages.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/some-thoughts-on-the-jill-metzger-abduction

Hi there. Yesterday some interesting news was broadcasted on Kyrgyz NTS TV station about Jill Metzger being pregnant and undergoing an abortion surgery, as cited one of our papers:
English Translation from Russian original:
Yesterday, there was a news on Kyrgyz television, that Ms. Jill Metzger has indeed been pregnant. US militaries are not allowed to be pregnant during the service. She underwent an abortion surgery in Issyk Ata district clinic (Kant, where Jill was found, Kant belongs to Issyk Ata district or county, whatever you like), and the doctor from clinic, who performed surgery, confirmed the information on television.
PS:
There was a testament of taxidriver, that Jill did a pitchstop near Special Surgical Clinic in Bishkek on the junction of Togolok-Moldo and Kievskaya streets. They have, by the way, English speaking medical staff, and medical facilities are relatively reasonable. She probably underwent medical research before surgery.
My guess is that Jill's true story will be kept low profile in the Western media from now on. It affects sensitive political and military matters.
Epilogue:
If kidnapping of Jill Metzger in Kyrgyzstan happened for real, US State Dept would’ve demanded thorough investigation from Kyrgyz Govt people, would demand explanations from Kyrgyz ambassador in Washington, exchange official notes, as usually happens. Nothing of this kind has happened this time.
That alone speaks volumes. Mouths will be sealed. Media will give plebs "politically correct" version of what happened. And actually, I personally feel sorry for Jill. Her marriage has, probably, already been ruined. I do not think that her husband is that gullible.
Her military career certainly ended. She will certainly sign non-disclosure kind of papers. And will retire from military.

This story is getting better by the day. Correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't women supposed to whore around while their husband is deployed?

Something to keep in perspective - Kuba Kyrgyz has been posting on a number of blogs regarding this supposed news broadcast but there is no evidence that it actually happened outside of Kuba's claims.

Me thinks Jill was abducted by aliens.

Mr. mdiamond,

Close friend of Jill's husband.
Your points are flawless. Your logic is undeniable. I found your following posting very amusing. Bomb in the pocket, trance inducing note, goofy story.

"http://mlearning.zimbio.com/portal/Major+Jill+Metzger/blog/20

Re: Kyrgyz Police confused by Jill Metzger's story

Posted by mdiamond on Sep-13-06 10:50pm
I'm confused by the two different accounts as well. Who knows where the truth lies? The lady that Jill talked to at the house she went to reported that her faced was bruised. The Kyrgyz police say that there was no injury to her face. I mean, come on, her face is either bruised or it's not. The military reported to Jill's family that she was found on the side of the road with her head shaved. The next thing you know, the news is saying that she walked to a house looking for help with her hair cut and dyed. Who have these reports come from? Not from Jill's mouth to the press. They've come from people in Krygyzstan. If someone is trying to spin the story their way, I doubt that the person is Jill. I hope that the misunderstandings are related to linguistics and not to any selfish motives.

People are questioning her story about the explosive in her pocket asking why she didn't tell a collegue or seek help. How do we know that the note didn't say that she was being watched with the threat of detonation if she didn't comply? Plus, it's feasible that someone could write such a note in English. Perhaps she was targeted because she looked western, or was stalked and it was known that she was US military.
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Yet another whacky story out of Kyrgyzstan.

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/10/02/hypnotise.shtml

Hypnotizing Indian Fakirs Prime Suspects in Kyrgyz Bank Robbery
Created: 02.10.2006 18:08 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 18:20 MSK

MosNews

Police in the republic of Kyrgyzstan are in search of two Indians who had reportedly used hypnosis to commit a number of robberies, the Interfax news agency reported on Monday.

The hypnotizers, allegedly natives of India, committed two robberies in the country’s capital Bishkek. In one of them, they looted $1200 and 35,000 soms (some $900) from a major bank.

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Here's the story starting circulate in Kyrgyz media October 2, 2006, about Indian Fakirs hypnotizing and robbing local banks in Russian:

http://www.24.kg/investigation/2006/10/02/7705.html

«К сожалению, за два месяца мы так и не обнаружили этих злоумышленников, хотя нам звонили многие горожане и говорили, что видели похожих на преступников людей в городе Канте. Поиски результатов и не дали», - говорит следователь Октябрьского РОВД Анна Баженова.

English translation of an excerpt from news:

Unfortunately, we couldn't find those criminals (Indian Fakirs), although we were searching for them 2 months, despite we got numerous phone calls from residents of Bishkek, reporting that they were seen in Kant town." - says Anna Bazhenova, police detective, Bishkek's October District Police.

Well. Good stuff. Kyrgyz cops definitely got tipped about telling Indian Fakirs story from US embassy, IMHO.
Until now, Kyrgyz cops kept silent (probably on request from Washington), adhering to non disclosure policy.
Nice legend. Kyrgyzstan and USAF will save their reputations. Kyrgyz and US public will get plausible explanations about Jill Metzger's trance and bomb story. Indian Fakirs will not be found. Hats off to those who came up with this brilliant idea. When this will start to circulate in Western Media? End of October, perhaps, a bit earlier?

Provided, that new media tune will not involve Kyrgyz terrorists, Kyrgyz bride-snatching, I'm going to be quite happy with Indian fakirs hipnotized Jill while she were in TSUM shopping mall story. At least, some graceful exit from the embarassing situation. Good compromise.

I've been stationed and Manas Air Base and have been to the Tsum Market countless times. The Kyrgyz people are a decent people and conditions are safe. We have a huge American ExPat community there. Ok, here's what happened. Our good Major had a fling behind her husband's back while assigned to Manas and got knocked up. She wanted to have an abortion before she returned home. She sought the help of a Manas Air Base Third Country National (TCN) employee thinking she could undergo a same day outpatient abortion. It didn't happen as planned. She experienced complications. The doctor wouldn't release her. She panicked and faked her abduction once she realized she wouldn't make Col Reese's stupidly imposed 22:00 hour curfew. That's what happened. Period. She's embarrased her nation and in the process, she has strained relations with the American Embassy in Bishkek and the Kyrgyz Ministry of Interior. Next time I go to Kyrgyzstan I'll be scorned by the local population and the Ministry officials and businessmen with whom I must interact. Thanks Jill Metzger. If the Air Force has any sense of integrity and honor, they'll throw the UCMJ book at her - Adultery, Conduct unbecoming, Unauthorized Absence. Her career is over. What a dumbass. No wonder the Air Force made her a Personnel Officer. She might be a champion marathoner, but she can't run away from this idiotic episode.

Considering the enlarging debate on who knew what and who knew when of Florida Rep. Mark Foley, it would be most interesting what collateral inquiries into Major Metzger’s immediate chain-of-command and most specifically those who were her Rater’s on her OPR’s would reveal. Especially if it is revealed the pattern of misbehavior existed at previous assignments and was not addressed appropriately by the chain-of-command.

The most favored scenario for cause of disappearance and 4-day reappearance is pregnancy and need to permanently conceal it by having an abortion. While a mother cannot be prosecuted under the UCMJ for deciding to have an abortion and having an abortion; there is in the UCMJ, Article 134-Self injury without intent to avoid service. Article 134 requires hat the offense was committed (in time of
war) (in a hostile fire pay zone). This offense is characterized by intentional self-injury under such circumstances as prejudice good order and discipline or discredit the armed forces. It is not required that the accused be unable to perform duties, or that the accused actually be absent from his or her place of duty as a result of the injury.

This article opens up a very large catch-22 for the department of defense and it will be most interesting to see if the Air Force considers prosecuting Major Metzger under this article or avoids doing so as if it is the plaque. This article and what is done about it in this situation will definitely determine if Air Force leadership has integrity and moral courage.

Certain offenses in a time-of-war carry greater maximum punishments to include death and AWOL is one such offence carrying a maximum punishment of death. A state of war need not be declared by Congress, nor is a formal declaration required. A war situation can result from the fact our armed forces are engaged in actual combat against an organized armed enemy. We are in Afghanistan and Iraq conducting the Global Was on Terrorism and actual combat against an organized enemy is happening.

It is clear Major Metzger was deployed to a forward location in Kyrgystan supporting combat operations in Afghanistan and that the location was within the combat command Area of Responsibility (AOR) and that she was being paid imminent danger pay for providing direct support to the Afghanistan combat zone and eligible for combat zone tax relief. I would say in my opinion Article 134 is an appropriate article to be considered.

The previous suggested UCMJ articles was the short list, here is a more complete list:

Article 86 Unauthorized Absence

Article 92 Failure to Obey Order or Regulation

Article 107 False Official Statements

Article 133 Conduct Unbecoming of an Officer and a Gentleman

Article 134 Adultery

Article 134 false swearing

Article 134 Fraternization

Article 134 Self Injury without intent to avoid service

Article 134 Testify: Wrongful refusal

http://www.dod.mil/comptroller/fmr/07a/07AIC23-02.pdf

My "guess" way back on Sept 9 (affair with co-worker) sounds like it's a very tame version of the real story. We're going to hear it soon, and it's probably something along the lines of what Lt. Col "In the Know" wrote.

Where are all of the Jill defenders now? The "I served with her and she is a model officer" comments? "I know Jill and she's a wonderful person"... Not hearing that now. And where are the prayer chains stretching across the US? If anyone is in need of prayer now, it's Jill Metzger. I guess it's much easier to pray for a cute little blonde-haired, blue-eyed kidnapped officer than an embarrassing adulterer, isn't it?

My "guess" way back on Sept 9 (affair with co-worker) sounds like it's a very tame version of the real story. We're going to hear it soon, and it's probably something along the lines of what Lt. Col "In the Know" wrote.

Where are all of the Jill defenders now? The "I served with her and she is a model officer" comments? "I know Jill and she's a wonderful person"... Not hearing that now. And where are the prayer chains stretching across the US? If anyone is in need of prayer now, it's Jill Metzger. I guess it's much easier to pray for a cute little blonde-haired, blue-eyed kidnapped officer than an embarrassing adulterer, isn't it?

My "guess" way back on Sept 9 (affair with co-worker) sounds like it's a very tame version of the real story. We're going to hear it soon, and it's probably something along the lines of what Lt. Col "In the Know" wrote.

Where are all of the Jill defenders now? The "I served with her and she is a model officer" comments? "I know Jill and she's a wonderful person"... Not hearing that now. And where are the massive prayer chains stretching across the US? If anyone is in need of prayer now, it's Jill Metzger. I guess it's much easier to pray for a cute little blonde-haired, blue-eyed kidnapped officer than an embarrassing adulterer.

Hey VR - since you have all the answers, when will we hear the news? For someone to do the name calling and triple posting, you must know everything.

This story has been questionable from the beginning. I'd hold your comments until we hear the official word.

How about the power ball numbers tomorrow night?

Hey VR - since you have all the answers, when will we hear the news? For someone to do the name calling and triple posting, you must know everything.

This story has been questionable from the beginning. I'd hold your comments until we hear the official word.

How about the power ball numbers tomorrow night?

Want to find out the story....submit a letter, email, or fax to the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Officer at her duty location.
Any information they have that can be release will be done. Some copying costs may be required to be paid but heck if you really want to know.
The AF is going to investigate very closely and will give her time to respond with/without counsel. Yes, she is the AF Women's Marathon Winner, but suspect she'll leave for the good of the service. No one in AF leadership wants a trial that will poke a few eyes out.

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Typical Air Force cover-up. If this was an enlisted guy being AWOL, lying to superiors, conduct unbecoming an NCO, you can be assured that person would be having an Article 32 hearing right now.

But noooooo, she's a female officer, and they don't have to follow the same rules that everyone else in the Air Force has to follow.

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