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<title>Yeeeeee-Haaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!</title>
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<description>Well, it looks like the Keydets kicked a little ass today... &apos;Course, who the hell is St. Francis University? Nothing against them, but back in the &apos;80s we did play UVA and UNC. Seems we can&apos;t even get the Citadel...</description>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it looks like the Keydets <a href="http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=282502678&confId=40">kicked a little ass</a> today...</p>

<p>'Course, who the hell is <a href="http://www.saintfrancisuniversity.edu/">St. Francis University</a>?  Nothing against them, but back in the '80s we did play UVA and UNC.</p>

<p>Seems we can't even get the Citadel on the schedule this year...</p>

<p>WTF?</p></p>
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<p>(<a href="http://op-for.com" rel="nofollow">John</a> on
Sep  6, 2008  4:05 PM)

hey a win's a win, 'specially in Lexington. 

seriously though, no Shitadel this year? What a shame. </p>
<p>(<a href="http://www.op-for.com" rel="nofollow">bullnav</a> on
Sep  6, 2008  4:52 PM)

Nope.  Check it out.

I guess it is a Big South deal or something...I sort of thought it was kind of like...I don't know... a fucking TRADITION?!?!?!!!</p>
<p>(Old Tanker on
Sep  6, 2008  6:40 PM)

Heck, the only team of note is Ohio.....wadup widat??

On another note Bull, I had the dogs out running rabbits at Sharonville today......I could hear 'em shootin' at the range from Raby Rd.!</p>
<p>(<a href="http://www.op-for.com" rel="nofollow">bulllnav</a> on
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OT - I took my son out there last Sunday to shoot.  We took our .22s (his Marlin single-shot and my souped up 10/22).  I also let him shoot my AR15 (which needs work desparately).

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<title>More On Anbar... Guess Who Calls It A &quot;Victory&quot;?</title>
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<description>Well, shut my mouth... &quot;Victory in Anbar.&quot; Anbar was where al-Qaeda located its attempt to turn Iraq into what it called the center of its war against the United States. By 2004 it ruled the cities of Fallujah and Ramadi;...</description>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, shut my mouth...</p>

<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/04/AR2008090403026.html">"Victory in Anbar."</a></p>

<blockquote>Anbar was where al-Qaeda located its attempt to turn Iraq into what it called the center of its war against the United States. By 2004 it ruled the cities of Fallujah and Ramadi; by 2006 it had declared an "Islamic emirate" in the region. Two years ago this month, The Post reported that a Marine assessment had concluded that the situation in Anbar was "dire" and that the province was "lost politically." The turnaround since then has been a crushing blow for al-Qaeda -- one that is not lessened, in its impact on the Arab Middle East, by the fact that the terrorist group did not begin operations in Anbar until after the U.S. invasion. </blockquote>

<p>Very well put indeed, but let me help them along. Victory in Anbar is victory in the one place in the Middle East that should have ample cause to hate the U.S. and rise up against us. When we broke downt he Hussein dictatorship, we removed the Sunni ascendancy from its position of power, its source of wealth and prestige. We occupied its heartland, and we told them how things were going to go from here on out. And they fought us tooth and nail. </p>

<p>Until, that is, they began to realize that when we said, "No better friend, no worse enemy," we were serious. That we would pull out the stops to support and protect them, or alternately that we would fight them to a standstill, and they (unlike some of our politicians) weren't willing to bet that we'd give up and pull out. And what we protected them against was their putative savior-- Al Qaeda. Lo and behold, the Sunnis of Anbar decided that they didn't like what Al Qaeda was selling. It was too costly, too brutal, too foreign. And so our fight against the Sunnis and AQI became ours and the Sunnis' fight against AQI. Al Zarqawi and his band of nasties were preaching to the one choir that should have been listening, and the choir tossed them out. </p>

<p>That is the real strategic victory: we have something to offer that is far far better than what the cavemen have to offer. We have a future to offer them, not an apocalypse; the chance for houses, lives, jobs, prosperity, not subsistence and subservience. No better friend!</p><p><a href="http://op-for.com/2008/09/more_on_anbar_guess_who_calls.html" title="Continue Reading: More On Anbar... Guess Who Calls It A "Victory"?">Continued reading More On Anbar... Guess Who Calls It A "Victory"?...</a><p class="font-family:Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size:11px; color: #333333; background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding-top: 2px; padding-right: 2px; padding-bottom: 2px; padding-left: 4px; display: block;"></p>
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<title>News From Afghanistan</title>
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<description>Two items of interest on the very hot campaign in Afghanistan. The Torch has a GREAT round-up on a smashing success by the coalition, including a good bloodying of the Taliban, a well-crafted hoodwinking, and a real step forward for...</description>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two items of interest on the very hot campaign in Afghanistan. <a href="http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2008/09/development-through-combat.html">The Torch has a GREAT round-up on a smashing success by the coalition</a>, including a good bloodying of the Taliban, a well-crafted hoodwinking, and a real step forward for the government and people of Afghanistan. </p>

<blockquote>British commanders estimate that more than 200 Taliban were killed as they tried to prevent the convoy of 100 vehicles from getting the machinery to Kajaki hydroelectric dam where it will provide a significant increase in energy for up to two million Afghans. 

<p>The operation has been described as the biggest of its kind since the Second World War. </p>

<p>For the last five days the force has fought through the heart of Taliban territory to push through the 220 tonne turbine and other equipment that included a 90 tonne crane to lift it into place. </p>

<p>With a third turbine fixed at Kajaki it will mean that the extra electricity could double the irrigation output allowing farmers to plant two crops of wheat a year. With a dramatic rise in world wheat prices this could crucially mean that it becomes more profitable than producing opium which would deprive the Taliban of a major source of revenue. </p>

<p>Escorted by attack helicopters, armoured vehicles and men of the Parachute Regiment, the trucks trundled into Kajaki. </p>

<p>For the first 50 miles of its journey from the southern city of Kandahar the convoy was protected by American and Canadian troops [emphasis added]. But for the second 50 mile leg through Taliban strongholds more than 3,000 British troops were needed to fight off the insurgents. </blockquote></p>

<p>Go to the link, and follow their links to the various articles. Priceless stuff. </p>

<p>The other item is from the Baltimore Sun. <a href="http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/militarywatch/">Reporter David Wood has been keeping the homefires burning for 2d Battalion, 7th Marines</a>, alone and unafraid, with many of its far-flung units in a vicious daily fight. I like Dave Wood; I met him in 92 <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Sense-Values-American-Marines-Uncertain/dp/0836280733/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220488390&sr=1-9">when he embedded with the 24th MEU SOC for our work-ups and subsequent deployment to Somalia</a>. He's a good guy, a good reporter, and a straight shooter. You might not like everything he says, but the man has integrity and a real love for the boys in uniform. Bookmark that site. </p></p>
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<title>Anbar Turned Over To Iraqis</title>
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<description>A real turn of events in Iraq. If you had told me, this time in 2004, that we&apos;d be turning over Al-Anbar province to the Iraqis-- and not part of some shameful withdrawal, but with a real prospect of success--...</description>
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<p>If you had told me, this time in 2004, that we'd be turning over Al-Anbar province to the Iraqis-- and not part of some shameful withdrawal, but with a real prospect of success-- I'd have said that you were smoking crack.</p>

<p>How did we get here? National leadership, and theater leadership, that learned some hard lessons and refused to give up. There was never a question that the Marines and sailors and soldiers were up to the task. The big question was whether the senior leaders in and out of uniform would also have the stones to stick it out. After Fallujah One and over the summer of 2004, I wouldn't have made a bet on it. But, instead, here we are.</p>

<p>We got here by dint of strong, hard decsions from the top; by incorporating the lessons of mistakes and missteps; by the willingness of commanders on the ground to grasp the situation, and then take the risks needed to gain the trust and goodwill of the population. We got here by the never-ending hard work and can-do attitude of tens of thousands of Americans and Iraqis and allies, living and fighting under discomfort and near-constant attack. We got here by the sacrifice of hundreds and hundreds of good young men and women, who did their duty regardless of the danger, and paid the ultimate price.</p>

<p>This doesn't mean the end of the Iraq campaign, and Anbar has a tough row to hoe, but they now have a fighting chance. They have an opportunity to succeed.<br />
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<p>(Kurt on
Sep  2, 2008  3:48 AM)

Dream on</p>
<p>(<a href="http://op-for.com" rel="nofollow">John</a> on
Sep  2, 2008  8:10 AM)

could you elaborate kurt?</p>
<p>(<a href="http://www.op-for.com" rel="nofollow">LtCol P</a> on
Sep  2, 2008  8:54 AM)

Yes, Kurt. Do tell. </p>
<p>(Lawrence on
Sep  3, 2008  7:10 AM)

Dream on?

As in our "National leadership, and theater leadership, that learned some hard lessons and refused to give up."?

Or in that "They [Iraq] have an opportunity to succeed."?
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<p>( on
Sep  3, 2008  7:14 AM)

One thing we must never forget, I suppose, is that Islamic culture thrives on conflict and war.

It doesn't matter what we do their, they will refuse to accept a peaceful existence.  At least an existence that we would consider peaceful, anyway.

However, we can "help" them pursue their own brand of chaotic culture within the confines of their own national borders, without throwing the rest of the world into chaos.
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<p>(Lawrence on
Sep  3, 2008  7:16 AM)

Forgot to sign my previous anonymous post. Sorry.</p>
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<title>Making Sausage</title>
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<description>The greatest problem, which the United States Army faces in completing and implementing transformation, is Branch Parochialism. </description>
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<p>(Lawrence on
Aug 29, 2008  8:40 AM)

It makes sense that we need less specialists, but not all aspects of operations can be done by generalists.

Ask an INF commander to coordinate a fire direction cell with a staff of generalist officers and he's going to have a tough time.  Ask an FA officer to command a perimeter defensive position and then plan a river crossing assault, and it's going to get a bit wierd.

What we end up with then is NCO's who are trained specialists running things under the general overall guidance of a generalist commander.

Ooh... wait...

{I hope some lightbulbs just pop on}


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<p>(DaveO on
Aug 29, 2008 10:06 AM)

Townie,

  Good points! A Space Support Team are just a specialized comms team. That's about the limit of their capabilities. 

  EBO isn't crap - the way it's been packaged by the massengales and USAF (and enshrined in their latest doctrine) is crap. EBO is basically doing whatever it takes to get the other side to do what you want it to do. Sun Tzu wrote on this. Napoleon's Maxims incorporate EBO. B.H. Liddell Hart is all about EBO.

  I agree that the appetite for information is growing beyond the ability to spread that information. Staff Officers are becoming Dune-like Mentats when what we need competent staffers. I credit the Army culture of zero defects to the need for the most perfect, up-to-date, and blame-free information.

  [The following gripe about the conference is not directed at you Townie ] So the Army is no longer joint? ASCC, Corps, and Divisions are no longer players in the game? Who the hell allowed GEN Casey to get involved? His friggin job is to wine and dine the Senate and House for $$$, NOT to make strategic, operational, tactical, or administrative decisions!

  The reason for all the doctrinal manuals is because we have too many generalists floating around between the echelons and none of them really know just what they're supposed to do. Train a General Staff and keep them there is another solution.

My two cents... </p>
<p>(MikeM on
Aug 30, 2008 10:15 AM)

As a retired Army CSS officer, I got tired of training "generalists" that came into my branch to command because their branch did not find them quite fit to command.

However, you never saw a specialist command one of their units.  I mean using your logic, any good commander can lead any unit, especially at Brigade level and higher.

One of the reasons I retired 7+ years ago was because I was executing an order from my commander (an infantry officer in a logistics position) and he failed to support me when his boss questioned my actions.

Nothing like being thrown under the bus. 

I guess things haven't changed much since I got out. </p>
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<title>Army Dwell Time leads to more &quot;conventional&quot; training</title>
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<description>This is a pretty interesting development. Is this &quot;last-war-itis&quot;, &quot;next-war-itis&quot;, or training time better suited to COIN? FORT IRWIN, Calif. (Army News Service, Aug. 27, 2008) -- Dwell time for Soldiers between deployments is expected to increase to 17 months...</description>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a pretty interesting development.  Is this "last-war-itis", "next-war-itis", or training time better suited to COIN?  <br />
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FORT IRWIN, Calif. (Army News Service, Aug. 27, 2008) -- Dwell time for Soldiers between deployments is expected to increase to 17 months next year, and almost to 24 months by 2011, said Army Chief of Staff Gen. George W. Casey Jr. He said this will allow the National Training Center to once again focus on "conventional operations" and not just counter-insurgency training.</p>

<p>Gen. Casey made his remarks during an interview outside the town of Medina Jabal in the National Training Center's range area, "the box," during a visit to NTC Aug. 14.</p>

<p>This adjustment, Casey said, would involve including "major conventional operations training" as well as "irregular warfare training" at NTC over the next couple of years, as Soldiers spend more time at home and not deployed.</p>

<p>"And we're already starting the planning to reset the scenarios and the OPFOR [opposing force], so that we can do that," Casey said.</blockquote></p>

<p>Look, if this incorporates OIF I-style maneuver warfare training -fine.  If this is Fulda Gap training -fighting the Krasnovian rifle regiments, then I think it is a step back.  More:</p>

<blockquote>"What I've seen now across the Army. We are a combat-seasoned force. Some of the battalions out here-60, 70, 80 percent-combat veterans, Gen. Casey said. "And so they know how to fight. And right now, we're focused on irregular warfare. And a lot of the skills that they have are directly transferable to...major conventional operations."
 
Gen. Casey said that the time he spent in Iraq changed his views on the relationship between training and the versatility of the force.</blockquote>

<p>How about some training in transferring from Phase III (combat, lead flying) to Phase IV (restoring order, transitioning to civil authorities)? </p>

<blockquote>"When I was a divisional commander in Germany in '99 to 2001, if you had asked me where I should optimize my training on the spectrum of conflict so I could be the most versatile, I would have said, If I can do conventional war, I can do anything.

<p>"After 32 months in Iraq, I don't believe that...mostly the Soldiers that have been to Iraq and Afghanistan don't believe that, either. There's enough difference, some fundamental differences between irregular warfare and major conventional warfare that we need to...be more versatile," Gen. Casey said.</blockquote></p>

<p>Hmmm... My thoughts on this vary.  On the one hand, balancing the force for conventional combat rules seems like a good idea.  At the same time, each day spent learning to mass division artillery fires and perform battalion-level armor assaults is one less day devoted to COIN training, Arabic/Afghan language and cultural familiarization.  If more dwell time relieves enough pressure on the force to do both -why not?</p></p>
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<p>(Joel on
Aug 29, 2008  3:55 AM)

I would re-phrase Casey's statement... "if you can do UNCONVENTIONAL, then you can do anything."

Infantry and Armor officers may hate this, but conventional operations can be taught to a group of chimpanzees and they can carry it out with reasonable success.</p>
<p>(Mrs. Davis on
Aug 29, 2008  5:47 PM)

Is this the same Casey who almost presided over defeat in Iraq? He's the Army COS? Why?</p>
<p>(DaveO on
Aug 30, 2008  4:44 PM)

Mrs. Davis,

  GEN Casey's being the CS is truly the safest place for him to be. He's a very personable and likeable guy (I worked for him for a time). I wouldn't, even out of morbid curiosity, follow him anywhere.

Joel: your comments are spot-on.

V/R, Dave</p>
<p>(L on
Aug 31, 2008  6:36 PM)

Is anybody in the U.S. Army training to fight the Red Chinese?  I'll bet the P.L.A. is training to fight us.

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<p>(DaveO on
Sep  1, 2008  9:03 AM)

L,

  No. That's impolitic.

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<description>Came upon this discussion yesterday, by accident almost. Although it unintentionally reveals much about the commenters and their odd notions-- I looked in vain for Skippy-san, perhaps he was using an alias-- it brings up a good point. An interesting...</description>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Came upon <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/community/groups/index.html?plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat:a70e3396-6663-4a8d-ba19-e44939d3c44fForum:a725552c-bd4a-4a5f-a5b9-a0c96cfae382Discussion:75d4b5de-5bec-4926-9ec6-d87240e70aa8">this discussion yesterday</a>, by accident almost. Although it unintentionally reveals much about the commenters and their odd notions-- I looked in vain for Skippy-san, perhaps he was using an alias-- it brings up a good point. </p>

<blockquote>An interesting briefing by the Northcom Commander General Victor Renuart has flagged cyber and arctic threats as priorities for the next President. Reportedly, the National Security Council is debating drafting a new strategy document on the Arctic. We have already discussed cyber threats a couple of times, but not the Arctic. Ironically, Russia's behavior in Georgia may have ripple effects of national security thousands of miles away in the Arctic if we really are seeing the resurgence of an aggressive Russian bear. For that matter, one of the near-term security implications of global warming is to make the Arctic more in play for geopolitics. The Arctic mission is also one that would have interesting inter-service rivalry implications, since it would be primarily a Navy and Air Force mission. How important is the Arctic and should an increasing portion of defense resources be directed to it? My own sense is that the bipartisan push for energy security will make the Arctic a higher priority for future Administrations than it has been for decades, and its importance will grow in the decades to come. Given the long lead-times for some weapons purchases, it would be foolish not to make at least some investments in improving our capacity to project power in that region. The priority still should be on other near term concerns, winning the wars that we are in, as Gates puts it, and ensuring our capacity to respond to more urgent challenges, but it is smart strategy to be thinking anew about the Arctic. How big a factor should the Arctic be in US military planning?</blockquote>

<p>At the top of the world we are cheek by jowl with Mother Russia. The end of the Cold War (supposedly) brought the end of the existential threats the old regime presented, the ICBMs, the bombers, the subs. Well, since the new boss in the Kremlin is the same as the old boss, welcome back to a new Cold War in the cold.</p>

<p>All of this has flown below our DEW Line, but it is a <a href="http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2008/08/strengthening-canadas-claim-to-maritime.html">frequent topic </a>over at The Torch...</p></p>
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<p>(<a href="http://op-for.com" rel="nofollow">John</a> on
Aug 28, 2008  7:34 AM)

first the artic, then the moon!

Both must be conquered. For freedom.</p>
<p>(jordan on
Aug 28, 2008  8:36 AM)

Didn't the Russians a while back plant a Russian flag on the seabed in the Arctic?</p>
<p>(<a href="http://dirkadirka.redgriffins.org" rel="nofollow">Jetman</a> on
Aug 29, 2008 10:47 AM)

Arctic as a focus?

After McCain's VP pick, you would think any sabre rattling that would take place would be a very serious mistake...

I'll bet Palin would be able to hit a target at 150 yards in a snowstorm.</p>
<p>(<a href="http://fareastcynic.com" rel="nofollow">Skippy-san</a> on
Sep  1, 2008  8:23 PM)

I was in Nashville getting drunk on Russian vodka.</p>
<p>(<a href="http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Mark Collins</a> on
Sep  3, 2008  3:24 PM)

Sorry--didn't notice this post already had a link to "The Torch".  But the first link in my previous comment updates things a bit.

Mark
Ottawa</p>
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<description>Or, rather, humor at the expense of the Taliban. And boy do they deserve it. Yes, a few are variations on old themes-- not that there&apos;s anything wrong with that-- but a couple are right on the money. (Like 1,...</description>
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<p>Yes, a few are variations on old themes-- not that there's anything wrong with that-- but a couple are right on the money. (Like 1, 4 and 8.)</p>

<p>Ridicule: One of the most potent weapons in the arsenal of free men.</p><p><a href="http://op-for.com/2008/08/taliban_humor.html" title="Continue Reading: Taliban Humor">Continued reading Taliban Humor...</a><p class="font-family:Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size:11px; color: #333333; background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; padding-top: 2px; padding-right: 2px; padding-bottom: 2px; padding-left: 4px; display: block;"></p>
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<p>(BD from NH on
Aug 28, 2008  5:25 AM)

Q.  How many Taliban does it take to change a lightbulb?

A.  What's a lightbulb?</p>
<p>(mindy1 on
Aug 29, 2008  2:40 AM)

Haha so very true and funny:lol:</p>
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<description> New cadets are formed into companies as they prepare to &quot;march off&quot; to the Barracks and the beginning of Matriculation Week. – VMI Photo by Kevin Remington. Bob Holland from VMI writes: LEXINGTON, Va., Aug. 23, 2008 – It...</description>
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<blockquote><em> New cadets are formed into companies as they prepare to  "march off" to the Barracks and the beginning of Matriculation Week. – VMI Photo by Kevin Remington.</em></blockquote></p>

<p><a href="http://www.vmi.edu/NewsCenter.aspx?id=24509">Bob Holland </a>from VMI writes:</p>

<blockquote>LEXINGTON, Va., Aug. 23, 2008 – It helped that the weather for Matriculation Day, Aug. 23, was less hot and humid than the August norm. But the Institute’s 446 matriculants also found many helping hands along the way, from their morning sign-ups to the culminating afternoon March Off to begin nine days of intensive training by the Cadre.</blockquote>

<p>For the record, they used to call it a "march in" and it went something like this:</p>

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<p>Good luck Rats!  <br />
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<p>(ear on
Aug 25, 2008  3:42 PM)

I'm a new "plebe" at West Point, and we had our own "matriculation week," last week, called Re-Orgy week.  It blew, so I know what they have to look forward to.  Good luck to our brothers in arms.</p>
<p>(<a href="http://www.op-for.com" rel="nofollow">LtCol P</a> on
Aug 25, 2008  3:46 PM)

Awww yeeaaahhh. And to think, somewhere deep inside that amorphous undisciplined mass, reeking of fear, piss and sweat, lies at least one general officer, maybe more. 

God help us.

Good luck, Rats. If I did it, you can do it.</p>
<p>(AA on
Aug 25, 2008  7:32 PM)

Is that the best video you could find? That is still the cleaned-up version. Hopefully someday someone will throw a real March In up there pre-2002 where it kicked off with sprinting and a sweatparty instead of the silliness that transpires these days. </p>
<p>(<a href="http://op-for.com" rel="nofollow">John</a> on
Aug 25, 2008  8:20 PM)

The language kills me. "New cadets" instead of "Rats." "Matriculation Week" instead of "Hell Week..." VMI is no place for what George Carlin famously called "soft language. The language that takes the life out of life."

And I'm with AA. No smashing into the rat ranks? No one was ever hurt back when cadre truly *marched in*, and it was a great way to quickly let the rats know that they weren't in Kansas anymore. 

ps- what's with the lame oath?</p>
<p>(Townie 76 on
Aug 26, 2008  6:11 AM)

As a now Senior Alumnus--e.g. I have been out of VMI for almost 35 years it is interesting to observe the evolution of traditions.  What I find most interesting about the video is the formalistic nature of what Cadre has become.  The Cadre marching in at a slow cadences to the beat of drums seems to be more about the Cadre than the rats becoming Cadets.
In 1972 we were held in the Mess Hall, assembled by company, called out by company, marched up the hill and entered the barracks and entered the rat line by gaunlet of screaming 3rds, 2nds, and 1st Classman.  We then had to go to 4th Stoop retrieve out belongings and move to our rat rooms.  Being in Echo Company were were one of the last to march up the hill (only six line companies then.)  All we could hear as we formed up was this noise echoing out of barracks.
But when I compared my introduction to VMI to my Dad's introduction in the fall of 1937 it was very different.
Moral of the story; while the traditions continue they evolve. . .what is done today will change in five even ten years and when you are my age it will be very different than it was when you were a Cadet.</p>
<p>(Neal on
Aug 26, 2008  4:27 PM)

BRs,
  It brings me back to the old times when we used to host polite dinner parties at the Regt Sgts table.  Ah, the sweet memories.  
  I wonder if there is a record for the time between a Rat actually sitting at the table to the squirt of the first tear?</p>
<p>(Seg on
Aug 26, 2008  8:11 PM)

Wow,
  Why aren't the rats on their faces and what's up with the gay boy scout pledge by the cadre at the end of their little flame session.  It just seems that every year they chip, chip, and chip away. But the excuse is that it's professional right? Amazing.</p>
<p>(Joel on
Aug 27, 2008  9:01 AM)

Young whippersnappers... they got it easy compared to my ratline...

Blah blah blah... I'm an old alumnus... it was tougher back in my day... where did I put my teeth at...

Good luck to the rats... hang in there.  It's worth it!!</p>
<p>(<a href="http://www.op-for.com" rel="nofollow">bullnav</a> on
Aug 27, 2008  6:33 PM)

It was always different back in the "Old Corps"...

We learned how to be Rats at midnight in JM Hall...

All I have to say is STRAIN, RAT!</p>
<p>(Chris on
Aug 28, 2008  6:47 PM)

Things have definitely been watered down in my opinion. I was a rat last year and somewhat disappointed. On the upside this year i think they are getting a little tougher. I was not there but from what I heard they had a push party right off the bat. Not sure how long, but  09 is definitely trying to toughen up, but it wont match the old corps eh? </p>
<p>(dd on
Aug 29, 2008  5:33 AM)

Chris is right, they moved the march-in to Old Barracks so there was room for a short workout.</p>
<p>(<a href="http://marchingpost.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">Andrew</a> on
Aug 29, 2008  7:28 AM)

They did March In a bit differently this year. They formed the Rats up in Old Barracks, then Cadre marched in, the Reg XO gave his usual speech, and then Cadre gave the Rats a sweat party. It helped to set the tone pretty well.</p>
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<description>Next evolution. Chopped this one up a little. Lifting music doesn&apos;t really help me with cardio and cardio music doesn&apos;t really help me with lifting. Need a good beat for cardio and need to be worked up into a fury...</description>
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<p><strong><u>Lifting</u></strong><br />
1. <em>Killing in the Name</em> - <strong>Rage Against the Machine</strong> <br />
2. <em>More Human than Human</em> - <strong>White Zombie </strong><br />
3. <em>Slither</em> - <strong>Velvet Revolver</strong><br />
4. <em>For Whom the Bell Tolls</em> - <strong>Metallica </strong><br />
5. <em>Let the Bodies Hit the Floor</em> - <strong>Drowning Pool</strong><br />
6. <em>Immigrant Song</em> -<strong> Led Zepplin</strong><br />
7. <em>Raining Blood</em> - <strong>Slayer </strong><br />
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<p><u><strong>Cardio</strong></u><br />
1.<em>Don't Stop Me Now</em> - <strong>Queen</strong> <br />
2. <em>All The Things That I've Done</em> -<strong> The Killers</strong><br />
3. <em>Wrong Way</em> - <strong>Sublime </strong><br />
4. <em>One More Time</em> - <strong>Daft Punk</strong> (a little eh... Eurotrashy, but great rhythm)<br />
5. <em>Stronger</em> - <strong>Kayne West </strong><br />
6. <em>Praise You</em> - <strong>Fatboy Slim </strong><br />
7. <em>Long Road to Ruin</em> - <strong>Foo Fighters </strong></p>

<p><strong><u>Cool Down</u></strong><br />
<em>Soul to Squeeze</em> - <strong>Red Hot Chili Peppers </strong><br />
<em>Tuesday's Gone</em> -<strong> Lynyrd Skynyrd</strong> </p>

<p>If Hanna Montana pops up anywhere on this list, you can bet Charlie's been tampering with my post. Speaking of, I *believe* that Charlie does <a href="http://crossfit.com/">Crossfit</a>.... which is way too hardcore for me, I'm Air Force. Credit to our buddy <a href="http://www.neptunuslex.com/">Lex</a> for sticking to the same hellacious routine. <br />
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<p>(Joel on
Aug 24, 2008  8:22 PM)

Cool down tunez was a nice addition. I would throw in In the Air Tonight by Phil Collins for cool down, just because it relaxes the heck out of me. 

Sorry, I know that may be a fruity suggestion in light of all the death metal. </p>
<p>(dnice on
Aug 25, 2008  3:14 AM)

Just rattlin two off of my head after this fat boy civvie want for his morning run:
(1) Zombie Nation (by Kerncraft or something like that-get the Sports version; sorry Techno suits me for running)

(2) Harvester of Sorrow - Metallica 

(3) 'Til I Collapse - Eminem & Nate Dogg</p>
<p>(dnice on
Aug 25, 2008  3:16 AM)

Just rattlin some off my head after this fat boy civvie want for his morning run:

(1) Zombie Nation (by Kerncraft or something like that-get the Sports version; sorry Techno suits me for running-esp sprinting)

(2) Harvester of Sorrow - Metallica 

(3) 'Til I Collapse - Eminem & Nate Dogg</p>
<p>(Whiskey Tango on
Aug 25, 2008  7:30 AM)

Anything by Metallica will get you going for weights. Techno, though completely stupid music, is simply awesome for running. </p>
<p>(Crossfit Fan on
Aug 25, 2008  7:39 AM)

Crossfit knocked my PT score up a full ten points. That was after sticking to the program for only 3 months. I highly recommend it, but the program is not something you can just jump into. You need to have a knowledge of weight training and some understanding of nutrition to do it without hurting yourself. And you need to be in decent shape to start. Fortunately we had someone on base who was a certified crossfit trainer, otherwise I would have never been able to do it. </p>
<p>(<a href="http://www.justbarkingmad.com" rel="nofollow">Marcus Atrocious</a> on
Aug 25, 2008  1:30 PM)

Try adding these two to your list:

-Lifting

Dropping Plates; Disturbed

-Running

Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner; Iron Maiden

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<p>(<a href="http://op-for.com" rel="nofollow">John</a> on
Aug 25, 2008  1:45 PM)

hey great suggestions Marcus</p>
<p>(<a href="http://www.justbarkingmad.com" rel="nofollow">Marcus Atrocious</a> on
Aug 25, 2008  2:08 PM)

John,

I too enjoy a little inspirational music while I get my smoke on.

L8ters

Marcus</p>
<p>(<a href="http://www.op-for.com" rel="nofollow">LtCol P</a> on
Aug 25, 2008  3:36 PM)

Lifting... Marines' Hymn

Cardio... Marines' Hymn

Cool Down... Marines' Hymn
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<p>(ccat on
Aug 25, 2008  3:50 PM)

Boom - POD</p>
<p>( on
Aug 26, 2008  6:23 AM)

"In the Air Tonight" always reminds me of the fellows in Bravo Two Zero running across the desert after their first shoot-out.
The cardio list is great, I can see myself listening to every song on there during my runs. There's no need to be defensive about enjoying Daft Punk during PT.</p>
<p>(dnice on
Aug 26, 2008  6:45 PM)

Crossfit fan:

Thanks so much - totally new to crossfit.

Routine has been my enemy lately.

Oh, please forgive the duplicate posts above - wife gave birth to our second kid recently - not thinkin straight.  (BTW got my 1st boy!)</p>
<p>(<a href="http://www.op-for.com" rel="nofollow">bullnav</a> on
Sep  4, 2008  3:25 AM)

Don't forget that the new Metallica...album will be out next week....</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>...In Europe! As we dust off the Russia analysts from various think-tank basements, we seem to be seeing a replay of many Cold War Soviet vs US conflicts.  First up: STAR WARS.  From the <a href="http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11986002">Economist</a>:</p>

<blockquote>THE east Europeans have little reason to fear a strike from Iran. So why are they eagerly signing up to America’s system to intercept Iranian missiles? Because they are scared of Russia. Within days of Russia’s invasion of Georgia, Poland had agreed to host ten American interceptors. Ukraine offered to link up its early-warning radars and contribute to surveillance in space. The Czech Republic had already agreed to host the missile-tracking radar.</blockquote>

<p>What's next? Russia putting mid-range missiles in Cuba or Venezuela? Russian support of insurgencies in Africa?  What about Iran?  Hold on as we travel back to the future...<br />
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<p>(<a href="http://informationdissemination.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Galrahn</a> on
Aug 24, 2008  3:46 PM)

Good question at the end. We are going to spend a fortune in BMD one-ups-man-ship with Russia, so we can put a half dozen interceptors in Poland.

Dumbest idea ever sold. Build a radar if necessary, but put BMD at sea and everyone is happy.</p>
<p>(<a href="http://op-for.com" rel="nofollow">John</a> on
Aug 24, 2008  4:55 PM)

Deep down I know you're right, Galrahn. But I've gotta come clean: I'm almost happy to see Cold War style brinksmanship return. 

I miss having a worthy adversary. These terrorists suck ass. </p>
<p>(<a href="http://informationdissemination.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Galrahn</a> on
Aug 24, 2008  8:56 PM)

I'm not, its all about eye on the ball. We have invested a lot in Iraq and are on the verge of great things, the last thing we need is to be distracted by Georgia.

They have the slickest PR campaign I've ever seen. Imagine a country that takes advantage of our taxpayer money to build a military we are told is for defense and promoting peace, but instead they use to start a war with Russia...

Then fall flat and get embarrassed, only to spin the media hard to appeal to our national moral values and exploit us for sympathy.

Russia is the bad guy, Georgia is the bad guy. We need to avoid helping bad guys. People claiming Georgia is the good guy in this dispute are willingly ignoring the facts. Sometimes there is no good guy.</p>
<p>(SSG Jeff (USAR) on
Aug 25, 2008  9:02 AM)

Putting the interceptors in Poland and the Czech Republic gives us, in their eyes at least, something to defend. 

It ties the United States more tightly into their defense, if ever needed. </p>
<p>(<a href="http://fareastcynic.com" rel="nofollow">Skippy-san</a> on
Aug 26, 2008  3:22 PM)

Job security for me! ( Plus a possible chance to work in Europe!)

I can live with a new cold war if it gives me a job overseas.

I'm in favor of putting a GBI site in Singapore, to defend against the Chinese threat-with me working there!</p>
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<description>All indications are that Imperial Russia the Soviet Union modern Russia&apos;s seizure of a good part of Georgia is taking on an air of permanence. Even if we grant the nine-tenths of the law (!) that is possession, and accept...</description>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All indications are that <strike>Imperial Russia</strike> <strike>the Soviet Union</strike> modern Russia's seizure of a good part of Georgia is taking on an air of permanence. Even if we grant the nine-tenths of the law (!) that is possession, and accept Russian hegemony over Abkhazia and greater Ossetia, their occupation of Georgia proper is ugly, unacceptable, and at the moment unanswerable. <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,408528,00.html">Even if they pull back completely</a>, their ability to dominate the scene has been established.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, it's also unsurprising. This crisis has had me asking, like Ted Nugent grasping a bloody arrow, "Where have we seen this before?" This is a recreation of the old Czarist quest for empire, and the re-enactors are frightfully realistic. By chance I was scanning one of my favorites, Peter Hopkirk's <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Great-Game-Struggle-Central-Kodansha/dp/1568360223/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219605230&sr=8-1">The Great Game</a></em>; the parallels are striking. Hopkirk describes the slow, steady, calculated, three-steps-forward-and-two-steps-back advance of the Czar's armies, and British government's repeated realizations that St Petersburg could willingly say one thing while its generals in the field did quite another. (And in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Theodore-Rex-Modern-Library-Paperbacks/dp/0812966007/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219607508&sr=8-1"><em>Theodore Rex</em></a>, Morris describes how TR was astonished during the negotiations over the end of the Russo-Japanese War, at how the Russian delegates would pile lies on top of lies utterly without shame.) </p>

<p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,408528,00.html"><img alt="5_63_082108_russia_trenches.jpg" src="http://op-for.com/5_63_082108_russia_trenches.jpg" width="320" height="240" /></a><br />
<em>Once installed, difficult to dislodge. Where have we seen this before?</em></p>

<p>The Georgia campaign also sent me rummaging through my shelves for another old favorite, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Infantry-Revised-Military-Profession/dp/0275949729/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219605600&sr=1-1"><em>On Infantry</em></a>, because I recalled the author's discussion of the Russian soldier as "the master digger."  It only took me a few minutes to find the passage-- the actual quote is "the champion digger"-- and to confirm my recollections. The German found that the stolid Russian peasant soldier had a talent for going to ground, and with no more than his entrenching tool and ox-like endurance he could turn a small gain into a strongpoint overnight. And once installed he was difficult, almost impossible, to dislodge. The obvious lesson was that if you give them an inch, they'll take at least a mile. And you won't soon get it back. Of course, this was all meant in the tactical sense, but I think we can safely extend the analogy up the chain through operational all the way to strategic. </p>

<p>The Russian seizure of the parts of Georgia that the Kremlin deems part of Mother Russia was planned well in advance, and carefully kept in hand until the most advantageous time presented itself. It was done in the knowledge that it would embarrass the U.S., put gas-starved Europe on notice, and send an oh-so-subtle message to the various old satrapies of the Czar. </p>

<p>We can expect more of the same. Let's hope that we are up to the challenge. </p></p>
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<p>(<a href="http://op-for.com" rel="nofollow">John</a> on
Aug 24, 2008  4:46 PM)

this was a great post. Current events melted into historical analysis gets me all hot and bothered. </p>
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<p>While I realize we generally deal with matters military, I believe the editorial on fiscal policy is worth considering, for an essential, in fact I would argue the essential element of national security is economic security.  <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/17/AR2008081702079.html">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/17/AR2008081702079.html</a></p>

<p>Second, I commend Fred Hiatt piece on what made Russia attack.  This article reminds me of the quote from George Santanya and I paraphrase, "Those who do not study the past are destine to repeat it."  As George Kennan pointed out in the Long Telegram, the history and nature of Russia is consistent.  <br />
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/17/AR2008081702076.html">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/17/AR2008081702076.html</a></p></p>
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<p>( on
Aug 18, 2008  3:27 AM)

My opinon regarding Hiatt's editorial is that the west has made so many inroads into eastern eruope that the leadersihip of the west doesn't really care about what is happening in Georgia except to make the right pronouncements for domestic comsuption. The Russian action is also for its own domestic comsumption. 

The western public and news media are up in arms and finger pointing while the leadership of the west does a collective yawn. It looks serious but, really, they think its too little too late for Russia. But for appearances sake no one wants to embarrass the Russian leadership by saying it. 

Unfortuantely when a large country like Russia throws an infantile tempertantrum it can have unpleasant consequences for small countires.
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<p>(Doug Santo on
Aug 18, 2008  6:57 AM)

Check

Robert Kagan, History's Back, Weekly Standard website.

Frederick Kagan, What is to be Done?, Weekly Standard Website.

Strafor, Russo-Georgian War and the Balance of Power, Real Clear World Web site at 

http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2008/08/russogeorgian_war_and_balance.html

These three pieces are about the best presentation of facts concerning the recent conflict and the best analysis of those facts that I have seen.

Doug Santo
Pasadena, CA</p>
<p>(<a href="http://www.op-for.com" rel="nofollow">LtCol P</a> on
Aug 18, 2008 11:10 AM)

Excellent articles, both of them. What statist economic tinkerers-- found on both sides of the aisle but far more prevalent on the port rather than the starboard-- can never seem to figure out is that they want to impose static solutions on dynamic problems. Market economies are not immune from ups and downs but are much better at absorbing them. In the free market you might get high gas prices, for readily understood reasons, but the market will find a way to supply the demand. In a planned or tinkered-with economy, you'd get high prices and rationing. </p>
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<description>From the WaPo comes an interesting quote from Sen McCain: &quot;I&apos;m interested in good relations between the United States and Russia,&quot; he said. &quot;But in the 21st century, nations don&apos;t invade other nations.&apos;&apos; Oops. Guess we were just popping in...</description>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the WaPo comes <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/13/AR2008081303752.html?hpid=topnews" target="_blank">an interesting quote from Sen McCain</a>:</p>

<blockquote><i>"I'm interested in good relations between the United States and Russia," he said. "But in the 21st century, nations don't invade other nations.''</i></blockquote>
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<p>Oops.<br><br></p>

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<p>Guess we were just popping in for a quick visit.  Then we stayed.  For 5+ years.  And counting.</p>

<p>I've been supportive of the war in Iraq all along, but even I couldn't pass that up.</p></p>
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<p>(<a href="http://fareastcynic.com" rel="nofollow">Skippy-san</a> on
Aug 17, 2008  2:24 PM)

Actually it highlights a great point and explains a lot as to why Putin is not paying as much attentiong to Bush and Condi Rice as they would like him to.

The casitgation of Russia came from the man who kicked off the New American Century by invading a sovereign state half way across the world and then wonders why appeals to Putins better nature do not get well understood.


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<p>(Lawrence on
Aug 17, 2008  3:35 PM)

Condi Rice?  Who, what nation, anywhere in the world over the last 8 years has taken anything she says seriously?

...sigh...

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<p>(Lawrence on
Aug 17, 2008  3:51 PM)

Pres. McCain?
{shudder}

Pres. Obama?
{double shudder}

This next 4 years is going to be interesting, either way.
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<p>(jordan on
Aug 17, 2008  6:38 PM)

Wait a minute.  Mac just didn't complete the sentence.  We don't invade other countries without "exhausting all diplomatic options, securing a UN mandate, telling the Security Council what you're doing, and briefing the world on your intel.'  Then, you don't decide to "regime change" a democratically elected president.  </p>
<p>(Jason B on
Aug 18, 2008  9:52 AM)

Jordan's right- and to add to it, McCain was probably thinking in the terms of the "Democratic Peace Theory" (which I also proscribe to) anyways.

And to add to Jordan's comments, Saddam's Iraq invaded 2 countries (3 if you count the Kurds), gassed tens of thousands of its own people, was a bloody police state, had no intentions of ever following the 1991 armistice accords, and with Oil-For-Food, was on the path to bribing its way back towards its 1991 war footing. And uh, Iraq also had varying levels of ties to a myriad of terror groups, including Al Quaeda. </p>
<p>(Slab on
Aug 18, 2008  2:32 PM)

Jason,
I've been to Iraq.  A few times.  I know quite a bit about Saddam Hussein's regime and its excesses.  I supported the decision to invade, and still do.  Sen McCain was sloppy with his rhetoric, and I saw a chance for some snark.  Relax.</p>
<p>(<a href="http://fareastcynic.com" rel="nofollow">Skippy-san</a> on
Aug 19, 2008  5:35 PM)

Whether Georgia has a democratically elected government is immaterial, if that government acts stupidly. The issue with Georgia is not about what is best for the Georgians-but what is best for the Americans. 

And that is what the discussion is all about. If we really support NATO membership for Ukraine and Georgia, then revive LANDCENT or whatever the name was and put about 300,000 US troops in both countries as well as in the Latvia's. Make the NATO alliance about defending against Russia again. If you want to guarantee security of nations that are rightfully in the Russian sphere of influence, then you need a credible deterrent.

Basically its upping the ante against Putin. Because he does not have the chips to meet that ante.

Otherwise take your chips and go home.

Either way it has nothing to do with Iraq-which no matter how good it is that Saddam is gone, our continued presence there does nothing good for the United States. Our job there was done a long time ago. Take the cue from the "democratically" elected government of Arabs and leave. Give them what they are asking for, if we really care about national sovereignty. Foreign policy should be about narrow self interest.

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<p>(mustang on
Aug 21, 2008  3:21 PM)

" A iron curtain has descended across Europe", W. Churchhill.
Aint it an irony how history is repeating itself. Except this time the curtain is further east than before.</p>
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